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...building a better mousetrap is my stated, and sole, purpose...

...and practicality be damned.

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(That's why I, even while being interested, haven't had a closer look at e.g. FORTH, Smalltalk, or Oberon: I can't apply them on my job.)

Ouch. Despite what I just said, I am saddened to hear you say this; I think it is as shortsighted as my own obsessive knowledge-gathering is.

Besides, learning languages can be a pleasant diversion for it's own sake (though you probably don't want to get quite as 'diverted' as I did).

It is also a good idea to know at least one Wirth language (e.g., Pascal, Modula-2, Oberon) or one derived form his work (e.g., Ada, Eiffel)

At the risk of prolonging a necro thread, you are just incorrect. Ada is directly descended from Pascal, as is Eiffel, so the statement was 100% accurate. That Pascal, in turn, derived from Algol is irrelevant to the accuracy of that statement.

I do wish that people would do their research before incorrectly "correcting" others.

Author:	Solar [ Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:09 am ]
Post subject:	Re:BASIC for OS-Development?
Schol-R-LEA wrote: ...building a better mousetrap is my stated, and sole, purpose... ...and the creed of my OS project, but... Quote: ...and practicality be damned. ...here, we differ. I'm not writing this OS because "I want to learn" or "because it's fun" (or at least, not only because of this). I write it because I feel someone has to do it, because it is needed, because I hope that my OS will be what people will find usefull. Thus, I walk the edge of what's cool, hip, and interesting - and what's proved to work. Quote: Quote: (That's why I, even while being interested, haven't had a closer look at e.g. FORTH, Smalltalk, or Oberon: I can't apply them on my job.) Ouch. Despite what I just said, I am saddened to hear you say this; I think it is as shortsighted as my own obsessive knowledge-gathering is. I don't think so. While I agree with what you say in the following paragraphs (new languages being easier to learn the more you know, and helping you finding new ways of problem solving), I have several other points to consider: * C++, Perl, Java, XML et al. are my "professional portfolio", the stuff I earn my family a living with. * C++ is also the language of my large/huge scale private project. * I still find things in the depths of C++ I didn't know, or didn't have experience with. While knowing many languages is a benefit, I think a language like C++ is sure worth exploring to full depth. * I have an accumulated reading backlog of > 1,50 m, just counting the "traditionals" like C++, STL, XML, Perl, OS Design, IA-32 architecture, IA-32 Assembler. Adding all these points together, it is my responsibility as a family head and project leader to look into the "traditionals" first. Toss me some hours at leisure and empty my To-Do list, and I will surely (and finally) have a look at other languages that are not requested in job openings and don't apply to my project. I don't know about you, but between 39 hours / week in the office, 2 hours / day commuting, working on my own OS, and having a wife (and hopefully soon, kids), learning languages for the sake of learning is a luxury I cannot afford. Quote: Besides, learning languages can be a pleasant diversion for it's own sake (though you probably don't want to get quite as 'diverted' as I did). For "diversion", I prefer medieval re-enactment. I'd like to add archery, martial arts, and role-playing games, but I lack the time even for those.

Author:	Solar [ Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:54 am ]
Post subject:	Re:BASIC for OS-Development?
Opened the promised thread Templates Explained.

Author:	Lucretia [ Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Re:BASIC for OS-Development?
Schol-R-LEA wrote: It is also a good idea to know at least one Wirth language (e.g., Pascal, Modula-2, Oberon) or one derived form his work (e.g., Ada, Eiffel) It's an old thread, but I think this needs to be addressed and people need to be educated. Ada was derived from Algol, as was all of the Wirth languages; hence they are all Algol derived, not Wirth or Pascal derived. I really wish people would do their research before spewing inaccuracies onto the web. Luke.

Author:	iansjack [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:37 am ]
Post subject:	Re: BASIC for OS-Development?
At the risk of prolonging a necro thread, you are just incorrect. Ada is directly descended from Pascal, as is Eiffel, so the statement was 100% accurate. That Pascal, in turn, derived from Algol is irrelevant to the accuracy of that statement. I do wish that people would do their research before incorrectly "correcting" others.

Author:	Solar [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:04 am ]
Post subject:	Re: BASIC for OS-Development?
That is the third trhead necroed in a row, for the sole reason to be defensive about ADA. Not the best kind of advertising.

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Author:	Lucretia [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:03 am ]
Post subject:	Re: BASIC for OS-Development?
iansjack wrote: At the risk of prolonging a necro thread, you are just incorrect. Ada is directly descended from Pascal, as is Eiffel, so the statement was 100% accurate. That Pascal, in turn, derived from Algol is irrelevant to the accuracy of that statement. I do wish that people would do their research before incorrectly "correcting" others. doncha just: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALGOL 1958 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_%28 ... anguage%29 1970 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_%28pro ... anguage%29 1980

Author:	iansjack [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:05 am ]
Post subject:	Re: BASIC for OS-Development?
From your third link: "Ada is a structured, statically typed, imperative, wide-spectrum, and object-oriented high-level computer programming language, extended from Pascal and other languages." Good work - Ada is indeed directly descended from Pascal (amongst other languages). Now let this dead horse rest in peace.

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